From: Erin Carroll (amoeba@amoebazone.com)
Date: Thu Jun 30 2005 - 11:15:52 EDT
All,
I think we've explored this subject in depth and are wandering off-topic
from the list focus. I don't see anything new being added to the discussion
so further CEH training emails will be rejected.
-Erin Carroll
"Do Not Taunt Happy-Fun Ball"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ctg [mailto:plumme@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:53 AM
> To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
> Subject: Re: CEH training
>
> > 2. Speaking to the point of the instructor -- in instructor led
> > training this will make or break the course. If this guy is
> a d$ck or
> > does not explain but reads the book that's a problem. It
> is important
> > to have a well respected, technical trainer that can deliver the
> > course to the students and also has field time in front of
> clients and
> > doing assessments so when the students take the practical
> > exam/Prometric muli-choice they can say... WOW I learned something.
>
> Is this enough, I have seen people getting to training
> courses and cheating their way thru the course. Then getting
> place somewhere where they glows because of the certification
> what they got. The problem occurs and organisation reflect
> this problem to this individual which is in trouble at this
> point, because he/she cheated and didn't want to read the
> manual and try to things on his/her own.
>
> The big problem really is that people don't want to use their
> freetime to do things, try them out and try to find the
> solution on their own.
> I face situation everyday when people come back to me, asking
> question from all kind of things. Thing is that I have to
> think for them, and people just accept the answer, whatever
> the answer is.
>
> When the instructor tells you about the situations, person in
> hand is able to remember that piece of information for 12
> hours and then it start to drop out, unless it's really
> important thing for the people remember. Only way in 'Hacker'
> type of courses is that you do thing before, you read the
> manual, and then you ask the question when you got stuck.
>
> After that what you can do, do you believe on the answer what
> you got from instructor and test it. OR do you take advice,
> test it and try to form a conclusion?
>
> I'm just saying that certification courses are good to
> certain point, those give you base information and nudge you
> on correct direction. At the end, you have to be able figure
> things on your own, or it's no good.
>
> -ctg.-
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