From: M.B.Jr. (marcio.barbado@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 18 2007 - 10:59:14 EDT
Gentlemen,
really, I guess that is absolutely all about which points a pen-test
report must be responsible for.
Should it only cover one static network scene, reporting only
vulnerabilities detected in a given moment? That is cheap work. I
don't think it's the ideal.
A network's dynamic nature and its impact on corporative environments
creates the necessity of a more sensible pen-test approach,
forecasting not only future vulns but also the trouble it could cause
in terms of financial losses in business, perhaps even considering the
companies' image. And by that, I also mean: adopting insecure
technologies today in order to increase enterprises' productivity can
ruin them as hell tomorrow.
A professional audit/pen-test today shoud make use of the cautious
balance between security and productivity and must include financial
analysis, don't you think(?).
That would justify increasing valorization to our market.
Yours faithfully,
On 10/17/07, Santiago Barahona <sant-bar@dsv.su.se> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I agree with you and with the 5% also... from my perspective it depends on
> the maturity level of the companies. The more mature an organisation is,
> the less need to spend on security. That'd be because security would be
> completely embeded in all processes... I guess that 5-8% would be in
> maintenance, audits, etc...
>
> But of course, that's only my guess... I'll try to get my hands on that
> paper...
>
> I agree with the fact that most COs try only to "pass the audit" as you
> say. The problem is that it is not easy for us to justify "security" by
> itself, we have to justify it as a business need (security must exist only
> when it is needed). Security must be aligned with (and aid to reach) the
> business' objectives.... shouldn't it?
>
> Regards,
>
> Santiago
>
>
>
> On Wed, October 17, 2007 3:55 am, xelerated wrote:
> > I think it should be far more.
> > And not even from a pen tester perspective.
> >
> > If you think about it, the pen tester has the easy job.
> > Its the people that have to secure the network that have
> > the hard job. Think of all the vectors that are never addressed,
> > either because of its not thought of, or its not part of a regulation
> > or audit.
> >
> > How many companies focus on securing desktop (or logging for that matter)
> > as much as they do servers? Sure there are policies and common sense
> > to lock the desktop, but a fair amount the non IT, and older folk
> > dont even consider it.
> >
> > I personally think that the #1 problem in INFOSEC today is many companies
> > do
> > not look at the big picture. Its all about "passing the audit" not
> > REAL security.
> >
> > Just because you can pass an audit does not mean you are any more secure
> > than the next company.
> >
> > Chris
> > OPST, CISSP, CNDA
> >
> >
> > On 10/16/07, M.B.Jr. <marcio.barbado@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Pentesters,
> >>
> >> Gartner's recently -- during its 2007 IT Security Summit -- released
> >> it's new corporative Information Security approach, named "Security
> >> 3.0".
> >> Basically, it suggests that 8 percent (and no less whatsoever than 5%)
> >> of the companies' IT budget be focused on security.
> >>
> >> It is something no doubt but personally I think it could be more, say
> >> 10%.
> >>
> >> The thing is:
> >> how are you, as a pentester, feeling such, concerning your incomes?
> >>
> >>
> >> Yours faithfully,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Marcio Barbado, Jr.
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> >>
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> >> advantaged because resources are freed up for higher-value work and
> >> because market opportunities expand as the standards proliferate."
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> >> Vice President Worldwide Linux and Open Source, IBM
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