From: Gray Ghost (gray_ghost@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Aug 07 2006 - 08:47:26 EDT
I believe this depends who your client is. Gov or private, on the gov side
you are not allowed "in most cases" to exploit anything during a va. The
inbrief will include boundries and expectations. On average, I brief a pen
test and a va as seperate entiites, they are two different beasts with two
different expectations. There appears to be expansion on va that is
sounding a lot like an audit which can compose all of the above but are
conducted seperatley, with different expectations to draw a final
conclusion. "a correlation of results"
PS. If your client is gov, make SURE you have that get out of jail free
card along with boundries in writing and carry it with you for pentesting.
My 2 cents..........
>From: "Alice Bryson <abryson@bytefocus.com>" <abryson@bytefocus.com>
>To: "Bob Radvanovsky" <rsradvan@unixworks.net>
>CC: "James Harless"
><jharless@kidwellcompanies.com>,pen-test@securityfocus.com
>Subject: Re: Vulnerability Assessment vs. PenTest
>Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 21:22:41 +0800
>
>i'm sorry i don't agress with you. i think a pen test include VA. VA
>is just a step of pen test procedure. to do a pen test, firstly we
>scan some tcp and udp port to identify which ports are open, and then
>detect which service run on these ports and get their software
>version. if the version of software has vulnerability , then we
>exploit it.
>
>2006/8/5, Bob Radvanovsky <rsradvan@unixworks.net>:
>>A vulnerability assessment often *includes* the penetration testing and
>>analysis. For the most part, a VA includes elements such as policy
>>management verification (does the company XYZ have the correct policy
>>implemented for it), verification that a policy does what its supposed to
>>do (procedural verification), and several often factors, all of which are
>>"paper verifications". Pen-testing is really one of the few aspects of a
>>VA that *does* anything technical (per se). The rest are operational in
>>that they are verifications that the company is doing what it claims to be
>>doing.
>>
>>Does this help? I hope I've explained it well enough. If someone else
>>has a better way of explaining, please do so.
>>
>>-r
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: James Harless [mailto:jharless@kidwellcompanies.com]
>>To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
>>Subject: Vulnerability Assessment vs. PenTest
>>
>>
>> > Where is the line between a Vulnerability Assessment and a PenTest? In
>> > other words, which tests do you run which identifies your assessment as
>> > a pentest rather than a VA?
>> >
>> > And, related, do VAs still have value? Do you feel that a PenTest
>> > includes everything that a VA would (and more)?
>> >
>> > My thoughts are that a VA is just an effort to document all the
>> > identified and potential vulnerabilities on a network. A PenTest is an
>> > attempt to identify those vulnerabilities and then exploit some of them
>> > to verify their weakness.
>> >
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> >
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