From: Shahin Ansari (zohal52@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Jul 27 2006 - 09:38:34 EDT
I respectfully disagree with your view. Presenting a
paper is very nice, but it represents a person's
knowledge in a narrow area, which is usually not very
helpful in work environment. If you are hiring manager
for a noc, you don't need someone who can speak on
let's say PKI for 1/2 hour. You need someone is has a
broad knowledge of routing, and knows commands for the
paltform your network uses, and as such I think
Certification is good. I agree that it has become a
way to make money and I don't appreciate that. I like
to have a very imprtial view of vendors, but I think
Cisco does an excellent job of documenting what
someone needs to know to be effective in market.
Further, I think ppl who pass an exam ( not cheating )
but pass it without hands on, definately deserve a
shot at a position. Although they may struggle, I
think passing an exam which you do not have equipment
for shows character.
Sean
--- "Graves, Jamie" <j.graves@napier.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Funny that this should come up; Bruce Schneier
> covers this to a certain
> degree in the following article:
>
>
http://informationsecurity.techtarget.com/magLogin/1,291245,sid42_gci119
> 6098,00.html
>
> - Jamie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert E. Lee [mailto:robert@dyadsecurity.com]
>
> Sent: 27 July 2006 11:40
> To: shreyas@technitium.com
> Cc: shreyasonline@yahoo.com; slamboy@gmail.com;
> pen-test@securityfocus.com
> Subject: Hacker Stories, Certs, vs Projects - Was
> Re: Technitium MAC
> Address Changer v3.1 (FREEWARE)
>
> The "practical application" portion of the CISCO
> CCIE certification is
> why organizations can trust the CCIE job applicant
> can serve a useful
> cisco networking function in their organization. Any
> certification that
> fails to measure the candidates actual ability to
> perform a useful
> function in the subject of the certification is
> useless (ala CEH, CISSP,
> CISA, CISM, which can all be passed with 0 years of
> experience). To the
> best of my knowledge about the current infosec
> certs, ISECOM's OPST
> (www.opst.org) and OPSA (www.opsa.org) come the
> closest to fulfilling
> the the practical measurement requirement. For what
> it's worth, we would
> not consider hiring a candidate who advertised that
> they have a CEH
> certification.
>
> If you want to stand out in an interview, perform a
> useful function that
> your peers respect you for. Presenting your ideas at
> conferences or
> contributing to computer security research papers
> and projects will get
> you a lot more credibility in a job interview than
> "hacking stories" or
> "hacker certifications". There are a lot of
> projects to choose from.
> If none of them excite you, start your own. ;)
>
> Robert
>
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