From: Gadi Evron (ge@linuxbox.org)
Date: Wed Jul 05 2006 - 02:32:13 EDT
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 salexander@frontporch.com wrote:
> I think we agree but you misunderstood what I was saying. My point is that sending completely random data will not find as many bugs as data that is malformed in specific ways (sending pure junk vs. intelligent fuzzing). I'm not saying that fuzzing isn't useful; it's an important part of my testing.
Indeed, than we are in agreement, but hey, if random junk gets results...
!
:)
Gadi.
>
> Steven
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gadi Evron [mailto:ge@linuxbox.org]
> Sent: Tue 7/4/2006 3:50 AM
> To: Steven Alexander
> Cc: intel96@bellsouth.net; pen-test@securityfocus.com
> Subject: RE: Application level pentesting
>
> On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 salexander@frontporch.com wrote:
> > Sending random data over a network connection will only flush out the most obvious bugs.
>
> I disagree, but say you are right, how is that bad? I call it raising the
> bar.
>
> The world of Fuzzing advanced considerably in this last year.
>
> Gadi.
>
> > Try sending data that is mostly correct but deformed in particular
> ways. For instance, include trailing data on an otherwise valid request/command/etc or trim off a few bytes from an otherwise valid request, if there is an application-level header, set invalid options and lengths. What you can do depends on the expected structure of the traffic. Are there optional attributes that can be included? What happens if you duplicate them? If the application uses multi-stage transactions (such as DHCP with discover/offer/request/acknowledge/release vs DNS with request/reply), try fudging data at different stages of the transaction.
> >
> > Does the program store encryption keys in memory longer than needed? This is easier to find in a code review than during testing but you may be able to find out using a debugger and a known key.
> >
> > What is exposed to an attacker (open network ports, registry, files, etc)? What can the attacker control?
> >
> > I hope this helps,
> >
> > Steven
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: intel96 [mailto:intel96@bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 9:42 AM
> > To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
> > Subject: Application level pentesting
> >
> > To all,
> >
> > I am pentesting an application that is written in several languages but
> > is complied into a single application. So looking at the application
> > with FxCop or Reflector for .NET apps does not work.
> >
> > The application draws an image on the screen that cannot be moved. The
> > image has two values username and password. The application only
> > accepts mouse entries on a virtual keyboard, which rotates every 60
> > seconds. The application form fields which are masked with "*" cannot
> > be read with applications like Foundstone's Showin. Microsoft Spy++
> > does cannot see the values in the form fields once they are entered.
> >
> > The application writes nothing to the registry that can be used.
> >
> > The application uses the following items when running:
> >
> > 1. InternetFortezzaCard - part of WININET.dll
> > 2. InternetInitializedAutoProxyDll - part of WININET.dll
> > 3. MSWSOCK.dll
> > 4. USER32.dll
> > 5. Kernel32.dll
> >
> > Sending random data to the open UDP (Foundstone UDPflood) and TCP
> > (Foundstone Blast) ports does not crash the application.
> >
> > Cramming random data into the username field does nothing.
> >
> > Does anyone have any recommendations on how to pentest the application
> > deeper?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Intel96
> >
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